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By: Homiesinheaven

Homiesinheaven — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 23:39:30 +0000

“I invite all to consider and pass the word of the personal, civic and human cost of such unconsciousness around photography.”

not to be a whistle blower but i just watched the BM webcast and lo and behold Critical Tits 2011 was broadcast to the entire world including multiple zoomed in shots where women were clearly seen topless. perhaps the quote above and this post should be shared within BMORG and whomever was in charge of the camera.

food for thought.

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By: Darren Chaker

Darren Chaker — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:51:23 +0000

I agree with Kosho — “You should ask for permission before photographing or filming any participant.” is a little unique of a situation. The entire atmosphere doesn’t truly allow for people to take pictures of be it scantly clothed people (male or female) out in the open, and prior to doing so to ask if it’s OK. The party atmosphere and clothing screams for attention. If it didn’t I imagine people would stay indoors if they didn’t want to be noticed. Just as girls in South Beach go topless expect to be seen in public, so do the girls who where just as little at BM.

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By: BOB BROWN

BOB BROWN — Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:38:21 +0000

wow.having read all the comments ,an some have a lot of thought an merit .it is all dribble.. only in the u,s. does anyone give a hoot ,pardon the slight pun . if you were on the med. anywhere, all or certainly most are topless, if you traVELED TO S.A. SWEDEN,AUSTRIA AN MANY OTHER PLACES .FROM THE JUNGLES TO THE BEACH ITS THE SAME ..WOMEN PLAYING VOLLEY BALL, CYCLING ,ETC.TOPLESS AN REALLY NOT MANY PEOPLE CARING. SOME PHOTOS, SURE BY TRAVELING AMERICANS, BUT CERTAINLY NOT BY LOCALS. ITS A AMERICAN THING, TITS A BIG DEAL, ON BOTH SIDES MALE AN FEMALE . THE KEY I BELIEVE IN BURNING MAN IS THE PARTICIPATION AN THE ENJOYMENT BY ALL ,OF DOING SO . NUDITY IS A ESTABLISED ART.AN FREEDOM/.PERFORMING IT OR CAPTURING IT…. I BELIEVE ANOTHER FUNCTION OF BURNING MAN . WHETHER BY PHOTO OR BY BRUSH . WILLING OR UNWILLING DOESNT CHANGE. LIKE SEVERAL SAID IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE TOPLESS, DONT.

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By: Kosho

Kosho — Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:13:11 +0000

BM is a private event on public land. Walking down the Esplanade is different from walking down Market St in SF as far as photography and video. If you are topless in a parade on Market Street and someone takes your photo, it may well be published because photos taken in a public place are in the public domain. If a photographer intentionally shows you in an unfavorable way – such as taking the photo when you just happen to be walking in front of a strip club, you may have the right to not have the photo published. Even so, you would probably have a fight on your hands.

As producers of a private event, the BM organizers have the right to institute rules that govern the behavior of the participants for safety, privacy or whatever reasons they deem necessary. The following is on the Rights and Responsibilities of Media and Participants page on the BM website: “You should ask for permission before photographing or filming any participant.” Perhaps this rule needs to be better publicized. And “should” should be changed to “must.”

What amazes me is that very few fellow observers, men or women, say anything to all those guys at CT blatantly shooting away without the knowledge or permission of the women. Everyone needs to be responsible for the Playa to be different from any other large event.

What about shots from afar and/or large groups? – if an you can readily recognize someone in your viewfinder, then you need to get permission before shooting. Before shooting, I routinely wave to get a subject’s attention, then point at my camera and then if the subject nods or generally looks cooperative, fire away. 99% of the time this works fine and is a great way of creating a little moment of connection in what might have been a mere mechanical process.

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By: Eric Lahti

Eric Lahti — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:08:41 +0000

As a male and a photographer I would like to express some of my opinions on this subject. First, I think women who choose to participate in CT should be commended for their courage to shed societal restraints in favor of individual expression. Second, I find the female form to be one of the greatest ideals of natural beauty.

I would like to see 2 parades. One would be for the women who do not want to interact with men and do not want to be photographed. All cameras and spectators would be banned. Perhaps this parade could go to 3:00. The second parade would for women who enjoy the attention and do not mind being photographed. By participating in this parade they are giving their consent. This parade would follow the traditional route along 9:00.

I do not want CT to be destroyed by the insensitivity of a few frat boys.

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By: jarle

jarle — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:05:29 +0000

i have never been to burning man. would have liked to, but being a norwegian living in norway this event is quite a long way away.

i do, however, have some opinions on some of the aspects being written about in this post and the following replies:

1) clothed or not clothed: taking a picture of a crowd at such a distance that individuals can not be recognized should generally not require a consent. in the case of an up close photo of a person not “performing for an audience” asking for permission is crucial; yes means yes, no means no.

2) women wearing short skirts or taking their tops off generally do not signal anything different than when wearing thick winter clothes. understand this, fellow men, and contribute to a better world!

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By: Mike - Los Angeles

Mike - Los Angeles — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:55:01 +0000

I’ve read some of these again and have some more to blab…

It seems like another big disconnect is the way people view the importance of pictures. It seems that some believe that photos take something from the subject and therefore attach a lot more significance to whether the image is taken or given. I care much less about photos of me so maybe it’s easier for me to accept the cameras out there.

To eliminate the “gauntlets” the CT team could have teams of riders dedicated to busting them up easy enough. Five or eight teams of two could ride with the parade watching for bottle necks. Two jovial but firm, big personality type people could bellow things like, “Keep it rollin’! Make way for these pretty girls!” and “Ask for permission boys, you won’t make any friends if you don’t” while they push through, create space, and remind the creepers that the best way that boys can participate is by showing their love, appreciation and respect for all the girls in the ride.

ok. Zippin’ it….

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